Comments on: Is VP9 About to Kill H.265 Before it Gets Off the Ground? https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/ The leading authority on WebRTC Sat, 02 Jul 2022 16:31:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/#comment-117226 Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:52:24 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4463#comment-117226 In reply to Tom.

Tom,

I am not sure by which parameter you measure that. Most smart TVs sold these days have VP9 decoding in their hardware as well.

I believe the actual war between H.265 and VP9 hasn’t really started yet…

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By: Tom https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/#comment-117225 Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:31:26 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4463#comment-117225 This is a strange article considering VP9 has already lost the war.

If you are considering buying a 4K television today, you are going to buy one that supports the 4K movies and shows, which means Amazon, Netflix, or M-Go, all of which have built-in support in several 4K televisions. These services and televisions all use H.265.

Youtube is for watching cat videos on your computer. I know that is an exaggeration, but no one buys a television to watch Youtube videos. (If Google wants people to take it seriously, they should create a new brand to differentiate it from cat videos and people falling off their bike videos).

I’m all for Google and even VP9, but, sadly, the war has already been won. I’ll give them credit for trying, though.

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By: Michael Graves https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/#comment-117224 Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:20:04 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4463#comment-117224 It was encouraging to see more comprehensive hardware support for VPx announced. In other industries the evolution of HEVC is also continuing. Elemental has shown 1080p60 & p120 and 4Kp60 real-time encoding. Real-time is a genuinely big-deal in broadcasting but irrelevant for someone like Netflix.

In the end I expect that we will live with both codecs broadly deployed, although perhaps skewed somewhat across different application spaces. Even that is a huge leap forward for Google VPx.

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By: Lennie https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/#comment-117223 Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:45:17 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4463#comment-117223 In reply to Lennie.

Just did a git checkout, –rt for vp9 is available and does produce a result. I’m not an export on the quality of the result.

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By: Lennie https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/#comment-117222 Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:34:52 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4463#comment-117222 In reply to Tsahi Levent-Levi.

I forgot how Chrome support H.264 video, but not for WebRTC.

I had an other look around.

Is VP9 real time encoder released yet ?

This doesn’t look all that promising:

Merge “Added placeholder for real time mode”

http://code.google.com/p/webm/source/detail?r=9aa16eecd0f9c8071bd2d9791d9940191f345ee2&repo=libvpx

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By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/#comment-117221 Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:17:27 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4463#comment-117221 In reply to Lennie.

Can’t say that… H.264 might be “free”, but Chrome (biggest footprint of WebRTC) isn’t going to add it to WebRTC any time soon – unless it is officially announced as MTI.

The default now is VP8. The more time it takes the IETF to decide, the better positioned VP8 will be to become MTI.

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By: Lennie https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/#comment-117220 Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:14:18 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4463#comment-117220 In reply to Lennie.

So for WebRTC, basically, H.264 is mostly free to use. So it’s now indrectly the “mandatory to implement”. And certain browsers/devices/software will support VP9 and others will support H.265 and fallback to H.264 when they don’t match.

Is that what WebRTC video is going to look like ?

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By: Lennie https://bloggeek.me/vp9-kill-h265/#comment-117219 Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:07:15 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4463#comment-117219 So H.265 and VP9 were both finalized at about the same time (couple of months).

Both use about 50% less traffic at the same quality when compared to H.264. But both also do about 50% more processing to get to that size. H.265 might have a quality edge over VP9. VP9 needs less processing. The same was true for VP8. So maybe even in hardware VP9 will use less power.

H.264 came on the market about 2003, but it was a very different world than today.

Today Android has the largest share on mobile. Chrome has the largest desktop browser share.

So it is a much more equal race this time round ?

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