Comments on: WebRTC Codec Wars: Rebooted https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/ The leading authority on WebRTC Mon, 01 Mar 2021 13:55:57 +0000 hourly 1 By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118252 Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:02:06 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118252 In reply to nwgat.

nwgat – yes – they certainly did join the alliance 🙂

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By: nwgat https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118251 Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:45:13 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118251 AMD, NVIDIA and ARM is now apart of the rebel alliance :=)
so thats basicly whole x86 computer market (all cpus in your computer that have intergrated graphics should play AV1 in the future)

and the whole graphics card market (AMD and NVIDIA)

also ARM is pretty huge (if they can make it simple to implement hw designs for oems)

btw why mozilla is a part of the rebel alience? well many of the xiph people aka those that does theora, vorbis, flac and opus (yes that one with skype/microsoft) are employed by mozilla

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By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118248 Fri, 11 Sep 2015 05:21:18 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118248 In reply to Lawrence Byrd.

Thanks Lawrence 🙂

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By: Lawrence Byrd https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118247 Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:08:12 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118247 Tsahi gave a great Meetup talk on this on 9-Sep at TokBox and has posted his (new!) slides on this at: http://www.slideshare.net/tsahil/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted

FYI, I also found the following external article on the topic interesting: http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/Featured-Articles/Commentary-The-Streaming-Industry-Gangs-up-on-HEVC-with-the-Alliance-for-Open-Video-106115.aspx

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By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118246 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 05:59:22 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118246 In reply to Roey.

A group effort.

Patents can usually find their way into standards if the patent owner is willing to share it via a mechanism called FRAND – essentially saying he will license that patent to anyone who wants it at a fair price (fair=not discriminating one company versus others).

H.26x is a hugely popular family of codecs that have patents on them. They are also supported by most hardware acceleration of video codecs out there.

Up until recently, the mere idea of a patent-free or non-royalty-bearing video codec was ridiculous at best.

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By: Roey https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118245 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 05:54:37 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118245 In reply to Tsahi Levent-Levi.

Do other propriety codecs are supporting hardware acceleration?
if so, how come they are patent protected? how can someone write a patent on an algorithms that were already implemented by hardware vendors?

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By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118244 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 05:31:10 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118244 In reply to Roey.

Thanks Roey.

VP8 is nice, but it is on par with H.264 for the most part.
The next generation of codecs are better – while they eat more CPU, they compress more so enable you to send video with better quality for less bitrate.

The challenge with VP8 is hardware acceleration today – support for it is still scattered. If we want the next video codec to work, we need hardware support for it from the start.

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By: Roey https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118243 Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:51:28 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118243 Hi Tsahi,

great article!

I wonder how this subject affect companies who build their own webRTC networks.

also, if i understand right, google already own V8 and everyone may use it… so why the sudden need in a new open source codec?

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By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118242 Mon, 07 Sep 2015 04:21:07 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118242 In reply to UserName.

Well… VPx aren’t really a mainline codecs (yet). They are also designed already to avoid a whole swath of patents.

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By: UserName https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-codec-wars-rebooted/#comment-118241 Mon, 07 Sep 2015 02:49:12 +0000 https://bloggeek.me/?p=9938#comment-118241 [quote]Daala takes a lot of its technologies from VP9[/quote]

This statement sounds untrue to me. AFAIK, one of Daala’s main selling points is the fact that it uses completely different (barnd-new or old-but-never-really-used-for-video) technologies from mainline codecs (including VPx and H.26x), thus simultaneously having a chance to deliver better compression without increasing complexity *and* avoiding whole swaths of patents. I’ve never heard one word said about any VPx connections in Daala.

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