Comments on: Let’s Get it Over With: Skype is an Operator. And so are Viber, Tango, WhatsApp, Line, … https://bloggeek.me/skype-operator-status/ The leading authority on WebRTC Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:57:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/skype-operator-status/#comment-116606 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:43:03 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=2183#comment-116606 In reply to Robert Welbourn.

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By: Robert Welbourn https://bloggeek.me/skype-operator-status/#comment-116605 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:55:55 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=2183#comment-116605 In reply to Tsahi Levent-Levi.

I agree that it’s not black and white. However, the point I was trying to make is that being labelled a telephone company is in the eye of the beholder. The tendency of governments everywhere is to label communications services thus in order to control them.

This is one of the reasons why WebRTC is going to give repressive regimes fits.

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By: Tsahi Levent-Levi https://bloggeek.me/skype-operator-status/#comment-116604 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:24:38 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=2183#comment-116604 In reply to Robert Welbourn.

That’s one way to define a Telco.

MVNO’s are Telco’s as well, and they don’t always fall into the exact definitions you gave a Telco. Some of them are also a kind of OTT players – or at least offer VoIP solutions as part of their ongoing service.

Telco’s have their own OTT plays.

Skype provide means for government agencies to eavesdrop as far as I recall. Probably even more since they got acquired.

The world isn’t that black and white.

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By: Robert Welbourn https://bloggeek.me/skype-operator-status/#comment-116603 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:17:56 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=2183#comment-116603 So what are the characteristics of telcos?

0. They provide a communications service.
1. They send you bills larded up with a whole bunch of inexplicable fees.
2. …many of which are tacked on by local, state and federal governments looking for a means to tax the “ratepayers” and subsidize favored social programs.
3. They provide a convenient means for law enforcement agencies and governments to eavesdrop on you.
4. They provide access to emergency services.
5. They are heavily regulated, in return for which they often enjoy de facto or de jure monopolies or oligopolies (access to customers through spectrum, public rights of way, etc).
6. They provide a means of identifying subscribers (for example, using telephone numbers) and provide some measure of assuring said identity.

If we were to grade Skype and most other OTT players on the above points, how would they rate?

0: Yes. 1: No. 2: No. 3: Maybe. 4: No. 5: No. 6: Yes.

On that score, I don’t think Skype sufficiently walks like a duck, looks like a duck or quacks like a duck to be considered a duck.

Telcos are not just about communications infrastructure; they are vehicles for public policy. That’s why nation states are trying to assert control over OTT players.

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