Comments on: Would you use WebRTC to Chat With Mom? https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/ The leading authority on WebRTC Sat, 02 Jul 2022 16:39:42 +0000 hourly 1 By: Art Matsak https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117304 Fri, 07 Feb 2014 12:49:02 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117304 In reply to Dave Cridland.

I’m not saying or implying anything close to that Tim. All I’m saying is that older people are statistically less likely to use the Internet, and consequently are less likely to know what a browser is. That’s perfectly fine and doesn’t imply anything about their brain, IQ or whatever.

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By: Tim Panton https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117303 Fri, 07 Feb 2014 12:29:35 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117303 In reply to Art Matsak.

How about “Lorna Cockayne who first worked with a computer in 1944” as a counter example.

https://twitter.com/bbctechtent/status/431765489329897472

You’ll be over 40 one day and you’ll find it infuriating when vendors assume your brain fell out on your birthday.

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By: Art Matsak https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117302 Fri, 07 Feb 2014 12:12:03 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117302 In reply to Dave Cridland.

Tim, declining Internet usage with age is a statistical fact, although perhaps not as pronounced in the specific age group you referenced: http://pewinternet.org/Trend-Data-(Adults)/Whos-Online.aspx

Again, I’m sorry if it offends someone, but we’re trying to deal with the reality here.

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By: Tim Panton https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117301 Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:46:48 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117301 In reply to Dave Cridland.

You need to be very careful with that sort of assumption. A 45yr old friend of mine was being pitched by some 20somethings. Their claim was that ‘only the young get the internet’. He finally got fed up and left saying ‘Listen sonny, who the F**k do you think built the thing?’.
Technology is like sex, people tend to assume that older folks don’t know about it 🙂

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By: Art Matsak https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117300 Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:23:55 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117300 In reply to Dave Cridland.

Dave and no, let’s not confuse correlation and causation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Of course bearing children is irrelevant to being technical. However, it’s pretty much safe to assume that your mother is 20+ years older than you are, and does it really need a proof that as a whole, the older generation is generally less technically versatile?

I’m sorry if the choice of the example offended you, but let’s not allow dubious political correctness confuse the real point.

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By: Dave Cridland https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117299 Thu, 06 Feb 2014 23:23:29 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117299 In reply to no.

Right, kind of.

My mother wouldn’t consider herself technical, but actually has the only computing qualifications in the family. Her mother in turn predated computing qualifications, and wouldn’t have ever described herself as technical. But used CP/M for *preference*, which is frankly scary.

But no, I’m not technical because of my mother – she just picked it up when the rest of us did.

Which is one of the many reasons why the notion that is you’ve had a child or two, your IQ drops to the extent that you don’t know what a browser is just annoys me.

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By: no https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117298 Thu, 06 Feb 2014 01:54:38 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117298 In reply to Tsahi Levent-Levi.

I think you just failed to see Dave’s point.
You’re saying that adult women can’t be technical, they need their male offspring to help them. It’s the same old “men are technical, women aren’t” bullshit that keeps mindsets from evolving and women out of the tech world.
It normative.

Dave was saying his mother was technical. And his grandmother before her.
In all likelihood, he’s saying *he* is technical because of his mother, not the other way round.

In any case, an entire interview on Would Your Mum Use This? is tired and backwards. Would your Dad use it? Would your annoying 12 year-old nephew who knows nothing about the Internet use it?
In essence, would people less technically versed use it?

Bearing children or not is irrelevant to the matter.

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By: Michael Graves https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117297 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:23:50 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117297 Some time ago i was speaking with the team behind Big Blue Button, an online learning tool that is very evolved and presently built on top of flash. They were of a similar mind. Flash works today, but it has known costs and limitations. WebRTC is coming, but they have a product that’s in-use today. They are watching WebRTC evolve and will move in that direction when the time is right…but not today.

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By: Art Matsak https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117296 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:38:48 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117296 In reply to Tim Panton.

Thanks Tim. Good point about Safari; however, Flash is still just two clicks away in it.

Can’t agree with you more regarding mobile. I’d say that tapping mobile is our primary motivation for looking into WebRTC over here.

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By: Tim Panton https://bloggeek.me/webrtc-chat-mom/#comment-117295 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:33:24 +0000 http://bloggeek.me/?p=4858#comment-117295 Safari was a poor choice of example. Flash isn’t installed by default on Macs these days.
OSX tends to disable when given the chance. (and it is never available on mobile safari).

Everything you say is true (at the moment) for IE on windows desk/lap top.
However, with webRTC support in Chrome for Android, we are starting to see a (large) batch of users who can use webRTC on their mobile devices, but can’t and won’t ever be able to use flash on them.

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